I seem to have woken up today in a dream world!
While all the major energy suppliers are reducing their prices (see previous post), one LPG supplier seems to have a different idea.
I received a letter today from Countrywide informing me; “Prolonged economic uncertainty and the Euro region crisis combined to have an effect on the price of LPG. After a period of relative stability the propane market has turned adversely in the last month or so, and we are faced with an immediate price increase. Your individual increase will be 3.5p per litre.”
Has anybody else received price increases from their suppliers?
Countrywide cannot be the only supplier to this as they normally hunt in packs!
I will be trying to find out further details from Countrywide as to why they have decided to do this. In the meantime please let me know if you have received a letter from your supplier.
Regards
( A very disappointed) Dickie
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So we hear British Gas have followed EDF Energies lead in dropping their prices by 5% with emmediate effect. Whilst SSE will reduce their tarrifs by 3.8% from March the 26th.
This is great news because it will put pressure on the LPG suppliers to drop their prices. As an added incentive when negotiating you new contracts or haggling for prices make sure you let slip about Britsh Gas and others dropping their prices and what is your supplier going to do about it?
It’s even worth just giving your supplier a call to ask them if they are following British Gases lead! Lets put pressure on them.
Regards – Dickie
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Firstly my apologies for the delay, but finally after trawling through the OFT website I managed to find the “OFT Grid Energy an OFT Market Study“.
The LPG details are on page 127 of the PDF file. It’s lengthy and I ‘m afraid not the ray of shining light that we all wanted but there are some positives.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/market-studies/off-grid/OFT1380.pdf?bcsi_scan_B263DEFA57CEFFEF=0&bcsi_scan_filename=OFT1380.pdf
I’m not going to go in great detail now, but will read through the document to see what snippets are worth publishing later.
Updates to follow – Regards Dickie
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Well the time has come for my tank to be refilled. I took a look today to see how much gas I had left and it was less than 5%. Interestingly I received a letter from Countrywide telling me to check my tank so that if necessary I can order gas before ( heaven forbid) the bad weather is once again upon us!
So this morning I rang Countrywide and informed them my tank was down to 5% and I required a refill, “what was the current unit price” I asked, a pause and then “54.6 ppl sir”. After getting off the floor I asked the young lady to repeat just in case my hearing was playing up, no definitely 54.6 ppl.
So the negotiations begin “can we do better than that price wise?” another pause, “well Sir, I don’t actually deal with prices”. So I asked if she would get someone to ring me to discuss the price- I should get a call early next week, I will keep you all posted.
WISH ME LUCK.
Best Regards – Dickie
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I have received a worrying email from one of our readers: -
Pat writes: “Went round all the village and got 22 people with Flogas who were interested in forming a syndicate. Telephoned Flogas and was told they do not negotiate with groups/syndicates now only individuals. Has anybody else had this problem?”
I would like to chase this up with Flogas and find out what is going on, so have any other syndicates had similar problems with any supplier, but in particular Flogas? I think it’s time to remind Flogas of the BBC programme “don’t get done get Dom” and if necessary contact Dominic Littlewood to see what he has to say. I Look forward to hearing from you.
I’d also like to thank Stephen Thomas for writing in;
Stephen writes: I’ve today received a reply from the Dept of Energy & Climate Change (DECC)in response to my contacting the Energy Secretary.
The OFT is due to report later this month (October 2011) into a study it launched in January 2011 to investigate the issues affecting those who are not on the gas-grid; exploring the longer term consumer issues such as lifetime payback, consumer standards and labelling for alternative energy sources or supplies.
The study promises to provide an independent assessment of the off-grid market and establish what further action may be necessary to ensure it works properly.
Website for further details: http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/market-studies/oft1302f.pdf.
Hopefully this report which we have been waiting for, will give us some of the results that we have been seeking. Provided I have the necessary permissions I will publish the parts of the report that concerns LPG as soon as I am able.
Best regards – Dickie
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So the Energy Secretary Mr Huhne is going to “get tough” over energy prices, well let’s hope that includes LPG.
I will be writing to the Energy Secretary confirming that LPG is including in his plans, I urge you all to do the same. There are approximately 3.5 million of us who use LPG, with the majority of us all paying different tariffs, absolutely ridiculous isn’t it?
With the real possibility of a further recession, we the consumer are being taken for a ride by these suppliers. Therefore I urge you to write/email to confirm we are included in this “Get Tough” campaign.
Department of Energy & Climate Change
3 Whitehall Place
London
SW1A 2AW
Tel: 0300 060 4000 (standard national rate)
Email: correspondence@decc.gsi.gov.uk
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It’s obvious to me as I read through the posts that readers are queuing up looking for syndicates all over the UK, whether they are having success I just don’t know. So to help all our followers if you know of a syndicate please tell us. This way the information can be passed on and in the end the bigger the syndicate the more clout you have when it comes to prices. So please send us any information with regard to operating syndicates and more importantly how you are getting on with negotiating a price with the selected LPG supplier. It would be nice if we could produce a syndicate list so that readers could easily locate one within their area. I’ve decided to set up a separate page so that people can advertise their existing syndicate or an interest in forming one so that people can increase numbers in syndicates and give themselves increased negotiating power. Hopefully this will be set up in the next few days.
I see once again Flogas is in the process of notifying customers of their new winter prices, please let us know details so that everyone is aware of what to expect and how hopefully we can provide advice to those who have a ridiculous price increase.
Now is the time most customer will receive a letter from their suppliers informing them of price increases. The more we know about this the more we can compare and argue our case for fairer prices across the board.
I look forward to hearing your comments.
Best Regards
Dickie
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I’m concentrating on these four companies at the moment just to give us a rough guide. It’s proving difficult with the larger companies as they ask so many questions with regard to personal consumer situations, however I will keep plugging away!
Regards
Dickie
Carver Gases:
http://www.carvergases.co.uk/ – 46.9ppl plus VAT
Extra Fuel:
http://www.extrafuel.co.uk – 49.22ppl
Lister Gases:
http://www.listergases.co.uk – 50ppl
LPGas Wales Direct:
http://www.lpgaswalesdirect.co.uk – 47.5ppl
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Apologies, been a bit late in getting prices, I am going to ring round the main suppliers to get their monthly rates but in the mean time to give you an idea here are some that quote directly from their websites.
Remember it’s always worth haggling and see what they offer for fixed terms, but be on your guard as the suppliers are getting wise to fixed contracts and may have a number of different options that will be confusing, so investigate thoroughly.
Carver Gases:
http://www.carvergases.co.uk/ – 48.15ppl plus VAT
Extra Fuel:
http://www.extrafuel.co.uk – 50.22ppl
Lister Gases:
http://www.listergases.co.uk – 50ppl
LPGas Wales Direct:
http://www.lpgaswalesdirect.co.uk – 47.5ppl
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14077651
Well we knew it it would happen it was just a matter of when.
This means we need to prepare ourselves for the LPG suppliers who will soon follow with a separate price rise. Remember if negotiating a new contract try and get a fixed deal for as long as possible. My other advise would be if you are not in a syndicate is to check your tanks now and get them filled up before the rise occurs.
Syndicates remember you have the power to negotiate!
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